The Tension

The Tension of Stewardship

with Travis Penfield

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If you've ever felt guilty for keeping or burned for giving, this one's for you.

Travis sits down with his longtime friend Justin Lopez, President of 25 Giving, for a conversation about why stewardship and generosity aren't the same thing…and why getting that wrong can cost you more than you expect.

Justin shares how growing up in a family where radical giving was simply the culture shaped a black-and-white worldview that eventually got put to the test. When his family moved into a struggling East Austin neighborhood to love their community in proximity, what felt like obedience turned into some hard, expensive lessons. The experience sent him swinging to the other extreme until one question reoriented everything: What is the most loving thing I can do with what I've been given?